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  • Council will not return our dog!

    Posted by mamasha on March 30, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    Hi, does anyone have any ideas how to go about this issue at hand??

    The council ranger picked up my son’s dog on the road, i guess, never got the story from them after all. Very strange as she never left our property before this. I went to pick up the dog at the council as they told my son to do, and they would not return her to us without her being registered first. The ranger that is holding her i have been dealing with for awhile for reasons of another dog i own that i have been fined for not registering. So the ranger looked real smug when he walked away saying he would not return her because of not registering. He would not answer any questions i had when he showed me the Dog and cat managment act that states he can retain the dog if it is not registered. i have included that part on here that states that. i was starting to ask him about the part that states’ person’, asking him if i look like a man or woman. He said it is not relevant, he would not go there. He walked away from me saying he would not return the dog. So what to do now??

    morag-janet-of-the-hill-family replied 1 year, 3 months ago 3 Members · 23 Replies
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  • mamasha

    Member
    March 30, 2023 at 6:50 pm
  • mamasha

    Member
    March 30, 2023 at 7:12 pm

    I was thinking of walking in the council with a notice of conditional acceptance type of thing for them to sign?

  • Ant_made

    Member
    March 30, 2023 at 7:54 pm

    Record everything.

    Under Who’s authority does he have over you, to withhold your property, your much loved furry family member? Where is the contract, that says you are his property? Contract Law needs consent of both parties and you can set your terms and conditions. $2,000,000 if any harm comes to your love one. Maybe $50,000 upfront to start contract, $10,000 a minute, for every minute you are in contract, $5,000 a page for all support documents and all liabilities waived. Even set trauma payments for other family members. Ask if he has Indemnity Insurance, his provider, Policy Number, phone number and his address. He is the Agent acting on behalf of the Service corporation and has decided to be the front of the decision making. Go for him personally and wipe the smile off his face.

    These Parasites are fully caught up in their own world. Their world is crap and nothing but money sucking us dry and unwanted pressure.

    • mamasha

      Member
      March 30, 2023 at 8:08 pm

      I did mange to record the last minute of our conversation, him telling me it was not relevant if i was a person or man or woman. I am trying to tack my brain about how to get that dog out asap. Of course sending anything by mail will take too long, so i will go in again tomorrow with any relevant documents. But by the way he and the co worker acted today, i can see him just waving me off and walking away again. How do i handle that? When i was asking the co worker where they get their authority from to not give our property back, she just kept saying it’s law, we need to follow the law. She would not answer my questions.. So can i then go to the police station and what would i even say? i mean, if they ask to identify myself and i pull out my drivers license (which is suspended for not registering my other dog), aren’t i admitting i am a ‘person’? If i bring in documents like what you stated, but they won’t even look at them, them what? i ca register post send them, bur what about the dog in the meantime??

      • Ant_made

        Member
        March 31, 2023 at 7:02 am

        Firstly Esther, you are Woman before any Name and Title and You are allowed to be referred to your Christian Name or any name you allow someone to refer to you by. You don’t need to give him a Surname. You can refer to it as your family name. Secondly, It doesn’t sound like he is the main Authority, the final decision maker. I would ring, record and ask to speak who has control over this situation. Let them know you are recording it for Lawful purposes and you be suing them personally for has transpired. Get them to acknowledge you as a woman and let them know that if any harm happens to your loved one, it will cost them $200000. Make them work for you and give them the option to return her ASAP to you or you will be coming in with your documentation, terms, conditions and an invoice for the time she has been away from you. Ask them do they have a contract that says you are their property? Ask them do they think any Magistrate or Lawyer has a contract with you, that says you are their property? Get their Indemnity insurance or ask do you you own your own house? Rattle them, the same way they do us. They use our property or money against us, then we do the same. It’s not a good feeling is it. Get a list together and someone alongside for support if needed, even when you go in, go with numbers and only deal with the one who wants to contract with you. Anyone else wants to get involve is a seperate contract. You are above them in the Hierarchy of Authority and they don’t even understand it. Try to take some of the emotion out of it and go with purpose and confidence in who you are.

        This popped up yesterday from another post regarding councils and the Our True Australia site,

        For 30 years NOT 1 member of parliament has sworn a lawful Oath/Affirmation of Office therefore NOT one Bill, Act or Treaty is Lawful including Local Council Rates, fines or Fees.

        So the Act he is referring to has no merit. Ask for evidence and how it applies to you. They make it personal, when you are a woman, so you make it personal on them for their actions.

        How much are you willing to fight for, is the question you need to ask yourself or do you want to just pay, move on and set yourself up better for next time. Only you can answer these questions.

        Maybe someone else here has some other suggestions.

        This is all a constant learning experience and each situation has different players and angles.

        Wishing you all the strength, guidance and a positive outcome for you and your family.

        Keep asking questions and for the evidence to back up any claims.

        • mamasha

          Member
          March 31, 2023 at 4:02 pm

          Hi there, thanks for all this inspiring help and support!

          I called them up, the guy wouldn’t answer my question, said he didn’t know what i was talking about, gave the ultimatum again of ‘do the right thing and register your dog and pick her up’. He then hung up on me.

          It is friday so he says if we don’t get there by 4:30, off to the rspca the dog goes.

          • mamasha

            Member
            March 31, 2023 at 4:03 pm

            Maybe this is silly, but my son says, what if we register her, get her out then de register her after??

            • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

              Member
              March 31, 2023 at 4:29 pm

              If it is possible then do it!! Just make sure you don’t sign any agreements or if you do put V.C. before your signature and do an all rights reserved signature.

              Vi Coactus= having been forced or having been compelled. In Latin coactus

              means to compel or to force or constrained. Put V.C. before your all rights reserved

              signature if you are being coerced to sign a document.

            • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

              Member
              March 31, 2023 at 4:35 pm

              Record all interactions and ask them questions that show you are being coerced eg Is it correct that you won’t give me back my dog unless I register him? What will happen if I don’t register him? etc. Make sure you also have a witness. This will demonstrate you are being coerced and maybe even threatened. You can put this in as evidence in an affidavit if they try to drag you into court. Put locks on your gates and put up cameras and put up trespass signs just in case they come back to harass you after you have deregistered. These are just suggestions that i know have worked in other cases of harassment and coercion in my friends life.

          • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

            Member
            March 31, 2023 at 4:37 pm

            Don’t make statements or argue, this puts the burden of proof on you and is also dishonourable, just ask questions to get them as a second witness so they will incriminate themselves.

          • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

            Member
            March 31, 2023 at 4:38 pm

            Did you record his threat he made on the telephone? If not ring up again and record them threatening you. If you see them in person ask each question three times and if they still refuse to answer then it gives you the commercial energy to answer for them, and also they have agreed by their assent/silence. If they try to lead you off elsewhere you could say “With respect that’s not an answer to my question for the second time blah blah blah” After the third time you could say “I see we are in agreement then thank you” Role play before you get there so it sounds natural.

          • Ant_made

            Member
            March 31, 2023 at 8:30 pm

            Have Faith in yourself, knowing you know more than he does and how there are two systems. So caught up in their own world and can not even believe there is something else at play. Morag as always with the goods to help and if you need to, keep bouncing off here for support or do what feels right for you. Only you know you and what you are capable of. You are the creditor and you ask the questions. Isn’t that what the Cops do, just keep asking questions, until we slip up. Do the same to him. Ego will get the better of him.

            Q. Isn’t he holding your love one for ransom, classed as extortion.

            Q. In a contract, if one party is getting paid to contract and the other party isn’t. Isn’t that slavery or an equity issue?

            You got this.

            • This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by  Ant_made.
        • mamasha

          Member
          April 3, 2023 at 1:00 pm

          Thank you so much for all the support here!

          I have been doing these responses with fines, etc. for 1 1/2 now, but seems something new is always coming up in life that you need to hold your position on.

          I did call and record the conversation on Friday ( it is now Monday) and the guy would have none of answering anything i asked. He says put it writing in the mail if i want. He says the answer to any of my questions is to rego the dog and pick her up. This is a time sensitive matter and i feel the pressure as they said she will be going to rspca if we do not pick up. I know it will just multiply the problems if that happens. Can you point me in a direction of how to write up a contract or what module maybe can help? i appreciate the words and support, sometimes others can see another perspective. This guy i have been dealing with for 1 1/2 on other dog not registering fines, so he is very upset at me to begin with.If we can cross the line with this one, it probably means i can cross the line on the rest of the stuff i have going. That is why he is so stubborn on this.

  • Ant_made

    Member
    March 31, 2023 at 7:16 am

    Here is a thought to add. Since they like to Act, maybe when you go in and recording them, Act like it’s live and everyone on your channel can see how they are conducting themselves. Added pressure of thinking others are judging them on their actions, it might make them Act a little better. Maybe even with some compassion, but I doubt it.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by  Ant_made.
  • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

    Member
    March 31, 2023 at 11:22 am

    Excellent comments Ant. Another thing she can do once she has solid evidence of their dishonours (not answering questions, stealing private property, threatening and coercion etc etc) Then put in a formal complaint (make sure to have their full names and job titles) watch this webinar where he talks about one process where he was able to hold the RSPCA to account for stealing horses. http://solutionsempowerment.org/webinar-file-a-formal-complaint-to-achieve-your-favoured-outcome/ and buy Module 25 where it has letters and Notices they used to get their horses back.

    Webinar: File A Formal Complaint To Achieve Your Favoured Outcome

    • mamasha

      Member
      April 4, 2023 at 11:48 pm
      • mamasha

        Member
        April 4, 2023 at 11:49 pm
        • Ant_made

          Member
          April 5, 2023 at 3:36 pm

          I am sorry you have to go through this harassment. Holding your property against you and forcing you to do something against your will. Not honourable at all. I am sure if the reverse was happening, he would be playing a different tune. How can we have a decent society, when the controlling bodies are trained to have no compassion. The job/Tittle is of more importance, than the people their actions affect. We have lost the Art of Putting Ourselves In Other People’s Shoes. Now it’s, Look at my Shoe Collection.

          We are witness to this.

          Whatever you feel you need to do, do it. If you want to only pay a bit because of hard times and you want to do it on a payment plan. You can only afford $5 a month at the moment. Get her back and then look at doing PN. Chuggles has been having success. He might know how to approach it. At least you won’t be out of pocket that much. If he refuses your offer to pay, then that discharges the debt.

          Make sure you always have support with you, when dealing with him.

          Sending good vibes your way. The kind of vibes The Castle mentioned. Tell him he is dreaming, for you know the real world and that alone should be your strength.

      • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

        Member
        April 5, 2023 at 9:42 am

        isn’t that a claim he is making? Isn’t the burden of proof now on him? Doesn’t that put you in the position of creditor if you require proof from him and ask other key questions? Have you tried to go down the path of least resistance yet using what you came up with before with your son?

  • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

    Member
    April 5, 2023 at 9:46 am

    He is making claims about your dog being subject to Acts, where is the evidence for that? He has made so many claims it gives you an awesome opportunity to ask him to prove those claims with evidence. Also you have the ability to put him on Notice that if he harms your dog without any evidence of his jurisdiction to do so these are the penalties he will incur etc. Did you buy the Module I suggested to you with the letters to the RSPCA that got the employee sacked?

  • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

    Member
    April 5, 2023 at 3:35 pm

    They always give us options on their demand notices; you can do this this and this and we can put our own conditions on their offer eg we’ll do that as long as you can show proof that we can’t do this. Because they can’t produce any evidence we can’t do what we are doing, it means we can do it.

    Give them alternatives which are all in your favour showing them that you’re the only creditor and that you’re holding them accountable and liable for injuries for any unlawful or unauthorised action against you without your consent.

  • mamasha

    Member
    April 5, 2023 at 8:31 pm

    Thank you both, Morag and Ant, for all your support!! My son decided to register, but how do we now deregister?? We have a recording and footage from a two separate times of them refusing to answer our questions and being really rude and not going by their code of conduct. i will file a formal complaint on that part. This has given me good experience for the future, anyway. The problem is i’m sure he will really dig his feet in further on another dog issue about not registering a different dog last year. He has sent it to the fines unit and they have suspended my drivers license for that. I guess this is all good practice.

    • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

      Member
      April 6, 2023 at 3:44 am

      I assumed when you said you wanted to use that strategy you had already thought that through and knew how to de register. Before we start any process we should always be prepared for the next step we need to take all the way through court if necessary, so that nothing can take us by surprise or at least we minimise that possibility greatly. .However I would think it would be handing in the dog tags maybe? The same as we hand in our license plates to de register our car? maybe you could anonymously ring to find out the process to do this, just asking very generic questions about the scenario for example if your pet has died and you need to de register so you don’t get sent any more claims to update registration or something like that?