Here we go again!

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

My thoughts are the path of least resistance is always the one that requires the least energy and if it works then it is a result. That’s all that matters. You have to weigh up how much time and energy you have to expend on the parasites, if you have unlimited time and energy then act according to that, if you have limited then work out exactly how much you have. I would say one option could be a three step Notice with a default and liability clause all around them plundering your funds. Then you could start to send them invoices for what they have agreed to in the three step process. This does take time and energy. The other option you mentioned could be worth trying first maybe?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

You could also use the Formal Complaints process because aren’t they acting unlawfully as they have no joinder/contract with you over this matter? That may have some bite. Going after them for commercial amounts because of a tort or breach of
contract is what frightens them the most so you would need to do a
process to set them up to owe you an amount and then put in a claim.
Either that or path of least resistance to get them off your back.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

The Ombudsman is compelled to investigate if you put in a Formal Complaint in writing with evidence.

Going after them for commercial amounts because of a tort or breach of contract is what frightens them the most so you would need to do a process to set them up to owe you an amount and then put in a claim. Either that or path of least resistance to get them off your back.

[Ant_made]

Good morning Morag, I have a little on this morning and then I am devoting the rest of this glorious day to working out my approach. I definitely want the path of least resistance. My thoughts are to contact SA Fines and go to the Person who the buck stops with. Once I get their name, title, insurance provider, I will let them know, I will be making a formal complaint to Authorities that govern their behaviour (Code of Conduct). I will also thinking of letting them know as the Executor and Sole Beneficiary to the Name in Trust, that they are now the Trustee and wear all liabilities, and that it is illegal for them to take out money from the Bank account held under that Trust name. Does that sound correct? I am still learning the ropes and any guidance by the SE Crew will be very beneficial in my chosen path.

Thank you

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

It’s also just straight out illegal when they have no agreement with you to allow them to proceed!! If you do talk to them face to face maybe it would be better to ask them simple questions, eg “Is it not illegal to withdraw money from a persons account without there being any contract or agreement to do so? Is theft not a crime punishable in your statutes to the tune of (whatever the penalty is in your crimes act for theft)/ And ask them about all the other crimes they are committing like trespass etc. If they start making claims all you need to say is “I’ll accept that if you can show me the evidence that supports that claim. If they refuse to answer just make sure you ask three times to create agreement after agreement. If they try to lead you off all you need to say is “With respect, that’s not an answer to my question so for the second (or third) time blah blah blah.” If you get that on film that’s really strong evidence in your favour to proceed against them and it may just nip it in the bud. Maybe you could take that approach because they may try to dismiss the Trustee stuff and maybe it would be better to put that in Notices as after three it creates agreement whether they like it or not.

[Ant_made]

But haven’t they administered my trust without my consent, especially for stealing money from the bank account the Trust is in?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Haven’t they just stolen credits from you account? Is that not your sweat equity in there rather than the trust funds, are the Trust funds not in the CQV account? Isn’t the bank account your private account?

[Ant_made]

It has been such a beautiful day here in Adelaide. 27 degrees and just too good of a day to do this. I ended up helping a mates mum out and playing hand tennis with my son and his friends, the good stuff (creating good Karma for task ahead). Still thinking about this in the back of my head. This what I have been playing with so far and I just want to get a feel first and feedback.

Record Conversation.

1. Get the Main Agent with Authority (decision maker). Ask for Name and Title. Check for spelling and repeat name back. Ask what would they like to me to referred them by? No pronouns? because I am a Man and I want to make that very clear. Do understand me and accept that I am a Man. x3 if needed.

2. (Name), Just letting you know that I am recording this for Lawful and Educational purposes. Anything you say, can and will be held against you in a court of Law. Do you understand what I am saying? (Maybe get a pre-warning apology in) Just let you know if I come across a little heated, it is only because I don’t like having my property stolen from me. I hope you can relate and understand where I am coming from. So I need some Questions answered before we can progress any further with this matter.

3. Are you a Wo/Man of honour and integrity? You call a spade a spade, are you a fair and just Wo/Man and able to put yourself in other peoples shoes? I just need to know who I am dealing with here. Reverse it, if someone wasn’t upfront enough to answer your questions about a an allegation or provide evidence that actually relates to the situation, then passed it off to another department, who I did not enter anything with, and they just stole from you. You would be a little mad about would you not?

Before we go any further. Can I get your Indemnity Insurance provider and client number please?

4. Do you have a contract that says ‘we’ are your property? Does any other Agents that work for your Service Corporation, have a contract that says ‘we’ are your property? Is there anyone that you know, that has a contract that says we are their property and they have a right over us, especially to Administer our Trust without my Consent? Even a Magistrate, Barrister, Lawyer or Prosecutor, do you think they have a contract that says ‘we’ are their property?

5. Are you under oath and are you an Officer of the Law?

6. So are you an Officer of the Legal? Because you can’t be both and if you are an Officer of the Legal, Don’t you have to Police with consent? Do you have it in writing that I gave consent? By the way, as a Man I don’t consent to legal fiction, because Legal doesn’t apply to Man. Especially a machine making judgement over me. Do you understand what I am saying?

7. In Contract law you need consent of both parties and it must be equitable, does it not? Are you getting paid to do this? Because I AM NOT and that’s not very equitable is it?

8. Is it against the law to steal someone’s equity from their Bank account without their knowledge or consent? Isn’t that theft and does it apply to you, or are you above the Law? Please take note, I do NOT give you consent to access or garnish my bank account, ever. Are we clear?

9. To the best of my knowledge, this whole thing relies on Consent. You need me to give it, in order for you to contract with me. Am I wrong in saying that and if not, do you have any evidence to say otherwise? Can you please show me any evidence that I have consented to the matter at hand?

10.I have ask for evidence, multiple times, so again can you provide me with any evidence to your allegation? Do you have firsthand knowledge that I wasn’t travelling in my Private capacity and not using a License for commercial purposes? Is that against the law and if so, can you show me the evidence please?

So I am letting you know, I will be filing a formal complaint to your governing body and Ombudsmen. On what has transpired here. I am also going to give you 72 hours to return the money you stole from my Private Bank Account, plus 4 times the amount as written in accordance to the bible. A hand written apology and a letter to state that this matter is null and void, and that I won’t be harassed by anyone in regards to this matter. Registered mail only. I don’t wish anything bad towards you and only wish to be left in peace.

If you choose to continue trying to administering my Trust without my consent, then as the Executor and Sole Beneficiary to the Trust, I will will be filing a court order to summons you to court. Where I will present all my evidence in Affidavit to the Court and Magistrate. Do you think the Magistrate wants to be Liable as the Trustee? I hope you have read my terms, conditions and my Fee schedule that was attached to my Notices.

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[Ant_made]

Q. There is a maxim that says a refusal of a payment, discharges the debt. Does this apply to a Conditional Acceptance or only PN?

[Lyn]

In my opinion, it applies to any genuine offer to discharge a debt, including cash, if the recipient refuses it

[Ant_made]

I offered to pay the fine with the Expiation Manager, with a condition they answer my questions and show the evidence to support it. They pass it on to another Department and garnish my private bank account, take more than the actual fine and without my consent. So is it discharged the first time I offer to pay, even with a condition?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Did they accept your offer by answering your questions? Did they follow due process? Did you follow up with a second and third offer to stay in honour? Did you have a default and liability Clause included in your offer?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Great you have thought of a strategy. The one thing I might do differently is to say ‘I am recording this for training purposes’ as they do on their recordings whenever we contact them. This doesn’t sound so intimidating and still allows you to use it against them in a court as if they proceed, they have now consented to being recorded. I only say this because imagine if every time we rang their services it had a recording that said anything in this conversation can be used against you in a court of law, most of us would hang up at that stage and if you look at your questions in that light you may want to modify some as you really want to keep them engaged and talking with you so you can set them up effectively.

[Ant_made]

Yeah, I have had a look at it a few times and it does feel blurted out and bit aggressive. I don’t know who I am going to be dealing with, so I need to find out who the are? Especially by their first responses to my questions in regards to the matter. If they come across arrogant, I will keep it basic and direct. These still are points to refer too, but I am thinking of changing my whole approach and see if I can educate them on the fraud. Plant seeds, see what they know, try to get them onside, not make it personal and see if they are competent in seeing how corrupt this legal system is. Could I mention that I am apart of a Private Members Club of about 7000 people worldwide, who come together regularly and discuss LAW. At the moment one of the hot topics is Code of Conduct and how to deal with the appropriate authorities. I am hoping you are going to show the group how to handle a proper complaint, with respect, honour and dignity?

Change recording message to Educational and Training purposes.

If I start off with, Firstly I want to apologies for any misunderstandings and hope we can resolve this in respectful and honourable manner. I don’t know you and don’t wish to make it personal, but I will protect my soul at all cost. I know who I am and very comfortable in my comprehension of how the two Jurisdictions work. Do you know what I am talking about? Isn’t there a Maxim that says All Apologies reset the debt?

I have to go over my Notice sent to see what I wrote. I know it wasn’t to tee as I had already sent a first letter before joining SE and the last two I was winging it. All with good intentions and honourable. I remember saying I am happy to pay if you answer my questions and also Happy to meet Face to Face and sort it out.

Thank you for your advice and guidance. We are truly blessed to have you here.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Thanks Ant. Most of the people we are dealing with are front line sheeples who have no clue what is really going on and don’t want to know either as it would create a conflict for them. Do you think if you use words like soul instead of self it might raise a red flag for them, because won’t they have a version in their heads of all ‘free men’ or sovereign citizens’ (their version not ours, what they are brainwashed with) and view us all as troublemakers or anti govt or whatever version their workplace might present to them? Do the cops try and educate us when they stop us? I know Mark continually says it’s not our job to educate them. I thought about this and I realised that they never give us a heads up or they would lose their ability to trick us into contract. When we use the same sorts of moves then we can set them up and have evidence in court if we need it. It’s all the same process using their methods against them. They are there to plunder and pillage (even if it is unknowingly). We are acting in honour to protect our interests and to hold them to account. I have found the more I sound like just an ordinary person/member of the public making honest enquiries the more helpful and co-operative the frontline workers are, because most of them genuinely want to help. If we frighten them by being a bit more obvious about our intent do think they might want to end the conversation to protect themselves and their job? I am impressed by your determination and your open mindedness to learn and it’s a pleasure having you here on SE as a fellow truth seeker striving to help others as you go along on your own learning journey.

[Ant_made]

I am a firm believer of giving someone the benefit of the doubt and also that someone has to start the change or else nothing ever changes. I realise that I have to watch myself, as this is what they are trained to do. I was thinking of making that one of the first points.

[Ant_made]

Update.

So after 3 attempts to get on the phone to SA Fines (I can’t wait longer than an hour, as I have a life to enjoy), I got through today and then you see what a CON it all is. The first lady tries to get you to be the name and you know she is not going to get it what we know. So I ask to speak to someone who can. She says she will transfer, but hangs up accidentally apparently. Rings back and tries to call me by my name after I had already told her to that wasn’t my name. Sneaky, transfers me to another department where I get another guy, who can only give me his first name and pretty much tries the same thing.He also says he is just a worker for service corporation. After getting through all that he can cope with , says he will transfer me to legal services.

Legal Services, should not be their title. Same thing, but this PERSON wont even give a first name and tells me a Fine sent out is not an offer to contract. Was I nervous, yeah, as I didn’t want to stuff up and incriminate myself.. First timer, So any feedback will be taken onboard.

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[Ant_made]

I went to the bank yesterday to see if I could do something there. Same crap, no control, no accountability, No court order to refer to and basically told to sort it out with SA Fines or close the account. Ok, time to move. Trust is on its way, set up with another bank and then looking at how to get rid of the loan with them. I’m in training mode for the BIG GAME.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

If you can stay calm and make it seem like no big deal that you just want to sort this error out then you will probably make easier headway and just record everything so you can prove you gave them every opportunity to peacefully resolve the issue.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Have you purchased the Rules of the Game Workshops? If yes I can share some things from there privately with you.

[Ant_made]

Yes I have Morag, Thank you for your guidance. Hopefully with more practice, the nerves will calm down. Confidence is about putting it into practice. I also had a mate helping me out filming and I don’t think he was the best to have by my side. He gets it, but it’s not his thing. By the time we got to her, I think he was just wanting go home and do his own thing. He did laugh at all ,as he saw it and did make comments about what a game they play. I thought having someone with me to make sure I don’t argue would help, but I think it might be better alone or someone on the same level.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Message me privately and I’ll share something with you from the Rules of the Game which I think you will find helpful in this case.