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  • Another hitpiece against “sovereign citizens”

    Posted by brianchu82 on December 1, 2023 at 1:17 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/disturbing-tactics-used-by-members-of-sovereign-citizen-cult/news-story/74fcad1701c6a31ac7ddd6f6940487a0

    Here’s another article from main(lame)stream media attacking people like us as cults and a social nuisance.

    Sometimes I do admit that I get a bit of negativity in my mind when I experience a setback on using rules of equity against the incumbent system.

    For example, out of 6 of my relatives and friends who employed the method to minimise tax expense by putting sustenance into “Other work related expenses”, 1 flagged an ATO audit and received a notice of rejection with a 50% penalty. I’d call that a 83% rate of success which isn’t too bad. It is possible the ATO could come back to the other 5 to audit them but the cash is in our pockets/bank accounts, correct?

    However, the roadblocks we encounter can get us down. It’s not as straightforward as it’s made out to be when we first signed up. And I know many who get their first rejection and increase in penalty will think this is a scam.

    Perhaps it is, but is the legal system not a bigger scam, only that it has guns and a compromised court that works on their side?

    Regarding that hitpiece claiming that lives are ruined, that is only true if one seeks to make a move out of potential greed and fail. For example, is it not true that the maximum penalty you can bear is 4 times the amount of damages?

    If that is the case, every time you seek to venture out to make a move suggested in this site or elsewhere, make sure you calculate whether you can bear the burden if it backfires. Treat every move you make as a legal punt and that you are using the balance of probabilities to ensure you never lose more than you can bear.

    Then you are less likely to become one of the people mentioned in these hitpieces. And you can take pleasure at these reporters and the smug commenters who envy the fact that we can see above the bar-less jail we live in and enjoy the benefits of the risk we were willing to bear.

    God bless,

    Brian

    morag-janet-of-the-hill-family replied 1 year, 7 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • E.H.

    Member
    December 1, 2023 at 1:25 pm

    Hey Brian,

    Yes, it’s not easy and the forces against us are great! They know that and will try to wear us down, so we have to remain strong and not give up.

    I used Mark’s ATO process and it worked for me. Ticking the box that confirms that you won’t pay tax anymore, is important as well.

    Apart from that; stay with it and learn, learn, learn!

    And, as Mark says ;Pick your battles!

    • brianchu82

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 1:40 pm

      It worked for my wife and I too. We are feeling a bit unhappy that my sister in-law flagged the audit. It feels like we ripped her off a bit as she is the only one among us and my friends who tried this that didn’t get through.

      I believe it is really running the gauntlet at this stage.

      Everyone who signed up to this recently please note, it is not a sure thing. It is not a scam but there are risks.

      We are fighting a system that is rigged against us and success is not a rule.

      God bless,

      Brian

  • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

    Member
    December 1, 2023 at 1:43 pm

    I agree with everything you have said about this journey, it’s not for the faint of heart or for anyone who is not prepared to do a s..t load of work if necessary. That piece of propaganda is not a hit piece on me because I’m not a ‘sovereign citizen’ and never will be. It’s a trap to agree with that term ‘sovereign citizen’ because if we do then we have just put ourselves under their jurisdiction again. So they’re definitely not talking about us.

    • brianchu82

      Member
      December 1, 2023 at 1:53 pm

      Well.. in the eyes of the unwashed and uneducated, we’re part of that cult because we aren’t obedient sheeple. They will lump us in with the sovereign citizen movement just like they created QAnon to mock those who understand what’s happening.

      It’s all about creating a straw man to beat and titillating their simple minds. They’re smug in their oppression and ignorance, all of which end up being self-induced because there is a choice and they decided which to take.

  • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

    Member
    December 1, 2023 at 1:50 pm

    I read the guys ‘hit piece’ and he is making lots of unsubstantiated claims as well as calling living men and women ‘sovereign citizens’. So it seems he is the one on the path of misleading people and I wouldn’t be surprised if he has been paid handsomely for his efforts. On the plus side it looks like they are running a bit scared because lots of people are learning how to exercise their rights in a lawful and legally correct manner and hopefully his piece inspires more people to learn lawful remedies to the piracy and plunder that is occurring on a daily basis.

  • Kari

    Member
    December 1, 2023 at 2:35 pm

    a little bit of information is dangerous, here’s a hit piece along the same lines from NZ , no one beats this sort of thing up quicker than the media.

    i got a slew of people sending me this link. implying that i should buck my ideas up and come back to reason. (the media works a treat)

    I’m working with lawyer, one who is on our side of the equation she said these half baked sovereign citizens aren’t doing any one any favor’s NZ courts are comming down hard on them, courts are now for-armed for any sovereign citizen approach, meaning if we end up in court we must know our stuff and be impeccably professional .

    i met a guy briefly, who got hold of the idea that NZ courts havn’t been ratified by the queen, meaning they aren’t legitimate there for having no power over him…having no documented evidence it was going to be his argument/challenge to the judge over his fines… i havn’t seen him since , he’s in jail now. – idiot.

    despite< this, there are judges who like to see people stand up for them selves, two cases i’m awear of where the judge went out of his way to help the individual . the protestations. in one case judge gave the prosecutor> such an impossible task, with an impossible time frame, that failure was assured and the case struck off.

    its not all bad , providing your not a sovereign citizen. 🙂

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/video-kiwi-sovereign-citizen-reads-cop-his-rights-threatens-100-minute-fine-in-bizarre-encounter.html

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by  Kari.
    • brianchu82

      Member
      December 2, 2023 at 2:07 am

      I think it is a fine line to tread. There are some judges and magistrates who are on board this or not against this movement. However, they are few and far between.

      There is a lot to learn and lots of roadblocks along the way. I believe that there is a lot of luck involved in terms of who you encounter on the other side when you are going about with these methods.

      I see a number of smug commenters who think we are selfish and deserve the full weight of law thrown at us. These are probably the same people who masked up, took the shots and stooped to every whim of their overlords. I look forward to seeing some of them reap the fruits of this attitude when the system they trust fails them to the fullest.

      God bless,

      Brian

    • morag-janet-of-the-hill-family

      Member
      December 2, 2023 at 9:31 am

      Yes the main mistake this man made was mostly making statements instead of asking questions and not giving conditional acceptances to every offer made by the officer trying to contract with him. It’s a joke that they want people to believe these are sov cits, they want us to accept that label so they can lord it over us again. We’re a bit more educated and savvy than that now. On the plus side of this interaction the pirate accepted a lot of his offers.