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Module 19 queries
The DEMAND template/letter is for speeding – I’m dealing with a parking infringement.
Is it appropriate to send the “DEMAND” letter to a council Parking Ranger ?
If so, should it also go to Revenue NSW, Fines Administration Officer?
Although this module references the Webinar url (which I gather is meant to explain the steps), there is still a lot of detail NOT explained. I wouldn’t be able to address all my queries in this post although I accept some of this might be lack of knowledge.
As a newby, I’m still trying to understand how this site works and am somewhat frustrated – including this annoying editor which seems to drop keystrokes.
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Just a while ago, I phoned council as I never received the original penalty notice. They are going to email it to me BUT – I could phone back and request it by mail then not open it. ??
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If you decline their offer of a new contract, it is like saying to a vacuum cleaner salesman, No thanks but thanks anyway I don’t wish to do business with you today. Do you think that gives the vacuum cleaner sales person any power to pursue you or to force you to buy his vacuum cleaner. Just read the PDFs again and follow the instructions there.
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I have just now received the replacement infringement notice from Revenue NSW that I was advised of earlier (when notified of cancellation of the original). I haven’t opened it as it was suggested I apply the RED stickers and return it unopened – ie starting from scratch with the replacement infringement. I therefore won’t know if I’m returning a replacement infringement of zero balance BUT my question here is :-
Should I return it by registered mail ?
Do I simply apply the red sticker and return it – or is there additional stuff to do ?
What if the replacement notice is for $zero – could my non-consent revert my position ?
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What stage are you at with the infringement? Is it just a note in the mail a stage?
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I sent a demand to Commissioner Fines Admin 22/12/22 – letter was based on watching Mod 19 Webinar. See attached
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What is the “authority to act web form’ the letter refers to?
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On Service NSW site, I noticed an option to give permission for someone to deal with a matter. I used it to give me (the living) authority to deal with it on behalf of the Stat Creature. Just an idea I tried. I later received an email from Comm. Fines Admin pointing out … “you seem to have nominated yourself”… I then sent the letter you refer to with the explanation at the front, leading into the demand for particulars.
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They don’t actually have a name on the letter just a title so here are a couple of things that might help you. At the bottom of the conditional acceptance it shows how to address an unnamed letter. Send it to whoever is making the claim. You could also revoke any permission they are claiming you gave them to act on your behalf.
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This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by morag-janet-of-the-hill-family.
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1. Thanks for providing short doc 3rd notice and 4th step. It’s implying I must take legal action against Revenue NSW, a move I don’t feel comfortable with ?? and that I don’t see any detailed instruction on. I found a template for “Default Judgement” at P292 of workshop manual. I will eventually need help on this – I’ve just sent 2nd notice.
2. I purchased Mod19. I’ve looked thru it. I’ve made a workbook (attached) setting out Mod19 contents with notes/comments as to what the use of each seems to be. Would you kindly review it and corrections for me. If you feel it might be useful for other beginners, you could include it in the Module.
Anyway I hope these 2 items aren’t overbearing but I need the help.
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Qld Statutory Declaration has wording you can use as a template, you just have to look up the Statutory declaration forms for your state so you are using the form the courts in your state will recognise.
The Stop Infringement isn’t specifically for indigenous folk. You can take that line out.
Notice Court you can enter this into court via the Registrar so the Magistrate will receive a copy and then back it up by using the scripts once you are there in propria persona.
The unclaimed stickers have the wording you can use on correspondence sent to your address that you don’t accept to deal with on behalf of the strawman. eg unsolicited fines in the name of the strawman. You can print these out and stick them on the mail if you wish.
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Thank you again – but it seems you have inadvertently not responded to point 1. – the real issue I have regarding what happens after the 3rd notice. In more specific detail;
1. How does one actually lodge an affidavit with a court – by mail, hand delivered ?.
2. The template letter is head “Magistrates Court of XXXXX” no specific address ??
3. Does lodging it Imply there will be a hearing (if that’s the right word)?
4. Should I expect a response/reply to it’s lodgement. If so what happens then?
5. Is it possible the infringement might be withdrawn at this point?
I am still trying to understand a lot of things including how to use this web site. Have I missed something – are the answers to the above somewhere I haven’t looked.??
Why aren’t full/proper explanations of processes provided. The above 5 questions is to demonstrate the kind of detail a beginner needs – there are many more missing pieces of info when I read “1B PROCESS TO DISMISS CHARGES”. which IMHO is overview(ish) How am I expected to get over this hurdle and “self learn” unless I can get answers somewhere??
I feel I’m sailing without a compass and doomed to failure.
FINALLY, I can’t express strongly enough my frustration with this editor missing keystrokes.
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Hi the only way I know of that people have dealt with a fine is to send the envelope back with the wording as in some of the things I shared with you. I have not had a lot of experience in this field. I attended court one person using the methods described on here and we had some degree of success, but it took months of study to get my head around what we needed to present the documents competently. At the same time I was learning and applying what I wanted to achieve in many other areas. Mark always recommends that start with small matters like parking fines until you understand the processes. Two possible options for you are to 1. Contact the team (under the contact tab above) for further clarification 2. If everything feels too overwhelming at the moment another option is pay off the fine in small installments so you won’t be stressed by the extra expense and then you can keep learning without the stress and be better prepared for the next offer of a fine that they might send you. You’re in the right place to learn ow to be competent in these areas but it does take time, dedication, study and application, also a bit of backbone for good measure. We are all nervous and even frightened sometimes when we start applying these processes and whenever we tackle something new, but persistence and determination pays off in a big way.
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Another thing this person did to prepare for court was a three step Notice to create an equitable estoppel agreement and a private default judgment with the claimants and we used that in court.
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Ok – Mark mentioned the trade-off between stress vs money in the webinar. I’m not concerned so much financially, I’m ok with spending a bit to learn the process. The stress has come from not having clearly laid out instructions of sufficient detail to feel I understand what I’m doing.
I thought I was working my way towards the equitable estoppel / private default – BUT it isn’t clear whether that is achieved by taking Revenue NSW to court (ie attending a hearing / using the script) or if it’s a paper process.?
I am expecting a further notice from Revenue NSW advising that a further $65 has been added for non/late payment. Is it appropriate to send the envelope back with the RED wording and also continue to the 3rd Notice/Demand after 2nd default – or are those 2 actions incongruous / mutually exclusive. ??
Can I pay to talk to someone for 15 – 30 mins??.
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Hi Morag would you mind elaborating on what the court said about the 3 notice process with the equitable estoppel when it was presented?
Kate
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You need to establish an agreement in the private (just sending them the paperwork whilst recording verifiable evidence of the steps you have taken) so finishing the three step notice process with affidavit accompanying it, is imperative to being able to prove they have agreed to an alternative contract. This document below may help with answering any threatening correspondence from them appropriately.
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Thanks again – I can’t find anything relevant in the doc you attached BUT more importantly, I’m still in need of details about where / how to lodge the affidavit?. The template letter is headed “Magistrates court of XXXXX” – no specific address. Is it mailed to Head Office ? is it delivered to a local court ??, what acknowledgement should I expect?, what happens after that ??
AM I MISSING SOMETHING – SURELY YOU HAVE WRITTEN PROCEDURES COVERING ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROCESSES YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO TEACH MEMBERS?
I’VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH DELIVERING BUSINESS SYSTEMS FOR 50 YRS – I’M SORRY BUT YOU FOLK MIGHT BE KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH LAW BUT YOUR DELIVERY OF YOUR SERVICE IS RIDDLED WITH HOLES FROM MY CURRENT PERSPECTIVE.
Module 19 (Infringements) has clearly sent me down the path of issuing Notices, to now find you would have recommended returning the envelope with RED stuff over it?.
Anyway could I please get help to understand (in detail) the processes after the 3rd default. Anyone would need to understand what they’re in for up front in order to decide whether to take it on.
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This is a self teaching site, I have been here for 2 years now and I do my best to help members who need it. If you need more experienced people to help you I suggest you contact the team under the contact tab. The materials are all available for you to learn but it does take time to put it all together. I’m not even sure what you are trying to achieve or why you want to submit anything to court. I don’t know enough about what your circumstances are to be able to help in specific ways. I suggest if you contact the team to give them as much detail as you can about what you have achieved so far and what direction you wish to take this. There are many ways to approach any one problem.
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It’s easy to see t you contribute substantially here and I have appreciated your prompt responses. Why I’m not getting my point across this time I cant figure so I’ll take a different tack: The doc “1B PROCESS TO DISMISS CHARGES” from Mod19 (purchased), at point 6 talks about completing a Statutory Demand & Affidavit, exhibiting the 3 notices etc. I’m assuming I can work out how to complete that from the templates provided. 2nd para at point 6 says this package of doc’s …”are then filed at the Court prior to the proceedings……….”. It then repeats BUT this time says…. ” IF there is a proceeding.” ??? SO – Do I deliver the package or mail it to the Court where presumably it is filed ?? How do I find a relevant Magistrates Court.?? What reason might there NOT be a proceeding ??
I headed down this path because I watched the recorded webinar which went into the Notices etc. I now find out there could have been some different options. Is it too late to change approach??.
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Thanks – I got that a little while back – it’s way too complicated and doesn’t deal with my simple questions which once again are:
1. Firstly, have I understood correctly that the recommended approach for infringements is to issue the 3 Notices etc?
2. And that after non-response to them, an affidavit (with accompanying stuff) would be hand delivered to a local magistrates court and lodged for the purpose of applying for “default judgement”.
3. Does this mean there definitely will be a hearing ? (to rule on the application for the default judgement). Presumably so – isn’t that’s what the “SCRIPT” is for?.
4. Presumably the other party (Revenue NSW) gets notified (by the court?) of the application.
Do you see where I’m coming from – nowhere can I find details as to how this part of the process works. As I mentioned before, at point 6 in the “PROCEDURE” doc one para implies there is a hearing whereas the other says “IF there is a hearing” but there’s no explanations – I’m not even sure how to find a “magistrates court”?
I’m sorry but I’m completely lost on this part of it. Would you be willing to phone me.?
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It is a simple parking infringement – no demerits. I never received the original -first I knew was a reminder notice. I rang council – they arranged to have original sent to my gmail addr.
I have just received attached from Revenue NSW saying council cancelled the original and have issued a replacement fine by mail. There is a comment “You are not required to pay the fine” – but can’t say which fine it relates to.
FYI, my 2nd notice was sent directly to the parking ranger??.
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They must have cancelled it due to your effort you put into your correspondence with them using Module 19. Well done!!!
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Well thank you Morag BUT I feel it’s a fluke AND I would still like to understand where I was headed with the other approach ? ie more procedural detail about getting default judgement and for which circumstances should it be used.
WHY does module 19 instruct to do the 3 Notices ???
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Hi, I know how you feel,i never had a complete picture of what i was doing when i began, my first success came with the bank (anz), on receiving their first default notice, i had an instant reply,
(which caught me unawares , as i was learning what i had to do as i was doing it- step by step 21 days between steps i thought gave me time to learn the net step )
which spent 3/4 of the page complaining about me, “pay your Bills” , “we will not be drawn into your line of reasoning, “..the last paragraph said “we have written off your debt” ..i was surprised and elated, that the process had worked, i had to get a second opinion on what “written of your debt actually meant” incase there was some other meaning i wasn’t awear of. it means what we think it means… “gone” whoosh like magic. it was around 22 thousand, kiwi dollars , so about 150 Ozzie dollars 🙂 i have one friend, when he sees me , says ” here he is the $160 man” which is how much i spent on learning material and postage to have 22 grand written off, in terms of time.. i spent 8 months really coming to internalize that money isn’t real, that contract is everything. at this point i still didn’t understand jurisdiction or equity.
thinking on my feet as to how to round out and complete the process, i sent them a “notice to annul”, giving the bank 7 days to object to me stopping my payments. there was no objection so i stopped the payments. that was the end of it. nothing but silence . when you have your success’, you’ll know this silence, its like nothing else.
looking back at it my process was very clunky, i didn’t know what i was doing. the ANZ was my first , my second now is the IRD, tax department, yeah so no parking/speeding tickets for me .
next week they, tax department, is in their third and final default. i have spent the last 22 days scratching around for templates understanding and adapting them , crafting the “final notice of default and notice of default judgment and notice of withdrawal”, along with my “affidavit of notice”. the affidavit of facts the default judgment produced.
I’m also crafting a “notice to cease and desist and notice of liability” on the company accounting firm….
early in this process i sounded them out about ceasing tax deductions and they become resistant and hysterical …which was good to know , (and made me angry), I’m preempting any resistance with this notice (i think my anger shines through) my other strategy is to invoice them as a contractor does, my motivation in this? I’m paying $1600 a week in tax which is better off in my pocket. don’t you think?
just to add stress and less clarity to the situation, i began this process as i started a new job, which takes all my time and conscious attention to come upto speed, i fall asleep after dinner thinking about the job , the first 2 steps were done in haste copies of what i’d done with the bank, …i’m disappointed in them ,
third, fourth and final steps are much more thoughtfully crafted
so what happens if neither of these approaches work? what happens if i have to sue the accountants to get my property returned..”.i have no clue” …tomorrow i will have abrain wave or information will come my way…as long as i keep moving to wards the end result with out fear knowing who i am .
when i have doubts , i remind my self of “jurisdiction” only “the creator controls me”, its been working so far
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Kari – that is most enlightening. However, the point that you are doing so much research yourself (ie research into procedure as well) demonstrates an important shortfall – there doesn’t seem to be complete / thorough written procedures available on this site. I’m still trying to find the process for getting “Default Judgement” even though I now may not need it for my 1st little test exercise.
Best of luck with your matters. Thanks again.
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i’ll write you one, it’ll be an out line. ill do it over night post it in the morning.
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thinking through this its the literal elephant in the room, so many different elements that need to come together to make up the whole picture, for me the lights came on when i really embodied , the difference between public /private jurisdictions. up until that moment it was all technical stuff.
these two images , I’m hoping help visualize the process,(there is one more to come) the detail has been left basic, i think if you ask questions about each step for clarification people here can answer/correct things from their experience, their wording, their documents…
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This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Kari.
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there’s no getting around having to know some shit….we need to learn our way out of our predicament .once we have knowledge in our minds we can see into the world around us…side step it as it comes by.
i find it helpful to download and listen to material from other people , Tom Barnett does a 3 hour talk , which can be downloaded for ,very cheap on his web site…
https://tombarnett.tv/empowered-communication-in-commerce/
if you put marks name in bitchute, youtube, you’ll get material you can download and listen to on you Walkman (mp3 player) you’ll pick up on the language to use, attitude, which comes mainly from knowing who you are, repeated listening really helps reattain (embed) the ideas and concepts..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g9icYSb3Qw
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=mark%20pytellek%20&kind=video
if your savvy , you can even work out how to record the audio convert it to mp3,from marks modules, listen to those on your Walkman.. .isn’t that being a bit naughty…? probably… but hey…ever tried sharing these ideas with any one? any takers.? ..im guessing ..NUP!..so its just for private membership listening.
this guy here has put the worlds predicament in a 2 hour interview…
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UitYn64Apc0V/
members here have all found the same resources…
https://www.youtube.com/@alphonsofaggiolo7639
https://www.youtube.com/@TheBigsib
https://www.youtube.com/@gumshoesleuth2788
https://www.inpowermovement.com/
if you want to test your self. my partner loves a good murder mystery, while she’s working out who done it and how, i’m sitting there rebutting the detectives offers to contract… and assigning complaints for their behavior’s if i was to write a script, for any police drama, it would last about 30 minutes including the add break…id have the public saying ” am i lawfully obligated to answer your questions or do i have the right to remain silent”
cut to the last 20 minutes where all the cops are in their station house crying into their scotch,” why does no body like us?” ‘why won’t any one talk to us?” fade to black end program… 🙂
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This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Kari.
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I was lost when I started here as well. I didn’t know what direction to take and what modules to buy. I actually didn’t realise about the modules first up. I was putting on webinars at night and letting them play as I feel asleep and also playing them in the background while doing house stuff. Things would pop out or catch my attention and I would video it or jot it down. It was overwhelming first up and being in foreign waters, it was a feeling of, I hope I don’t make it worse. Watching and reading what others are doing has helped and Morag’s advice and PDF sharing has really been solid and most helpful. I get it that some of the webinars are hard to watch, as some are cracking and missing some sound and information, but piecing it together has been apart of the learning curve.
Thanks for the share of the other sites to look at. Tom Barnett has been great and it was his Virus video that helped me at the start of Convid, with explaining it to others.
https://www.youtube.com/@ObservationDeck
https://www.youtube.com/@JustinianDeception
Romley from Justinian Deception was someone that opened me up to it all, a few years before the scam started and a book called Jackals of Slavery. Also Kurtis R Kallenbach and Mark Passio have had things stick with me. I am not sure if they are controlled opposition as some people have suggested, but things they have said have resonated with me. One being a sentence…..All Present and Accounted for, from Fertilisation until Last Breath. It basically says I am aware and know of the deception at birth, and I have found myself, and I am not lost at sea.
One thing I am realising, is that we are all witnesses to each others discovery and the sharing of the battles we are taking on, helps us all.
Keep smiling.
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how to tell if its controlled opposition: controlled opposition will never say , “sit down shut up take 100% control and responsibility for your life, don’t out source anything ”
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‘id be surprised if this isn’t in one of the knowledge modules or the foundational course work..if some one has seen it some where could they please reference the place to find it.. .
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I purchased Module 19 Infringements, it includes a doc “1B PROCESS TO DISMISS CHARGES” (Attached) – at point 6 – equiv to Kari’s “Final step (4)”, it talks about doing a “Statutory Demand & Affidavit”. It goes on to say that the failure to to deliver proof of claim creates an “equitable estoppel” —- ie informant has tacitly agreed to abandon the right to pursue charges. BUT – it goes to say -” the stat dec/affdavit are filed at the court prior to proceedings.
Point 7 is about attending the proceedings. So – there is a huge procedural gap here – no-one has yet responded to these questions in relation this gap.
a. Is a magistrates court (NSW) just a local court.
b. I need to hand deliver the package or can it be by reg’d mail.
c. what determines if there will be a hearing (presumably to ratify the default judgement & issue the court order)
d. Is the equitable estoppel also ratified by the court or is it taken as done due to non-response. If deemed to be done then one wouldn’t need hearing.
Does anyone get my point – I haven’t been able to get the relevant detail of the process for this final step. Clearly there must be a court hearing because that is what doc “SCRIPT” is provided for. If I was to try his from just reading Module 19 – I would be sunk.
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I’m arriving at that step in my current process this week, my understanding is , once the final default has occurred and you send them your final round of paper work, step 4, ..that’s the end of the matter. your “private court proceeding” has been completed , judgment arrived at.
you can then , if you wish, take your document package and have a judgment exparte made by the local court (in your favour) .this will register the judgment in court records. that’s as far as my understanding goes.
how far do you wish to go with your proceeding ?
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one more thought, if after your default judgment , the other party doesn’t pursue you, why would you go to court?
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Well now that does make sense and (if correct) is great to hear. At this point, I may not need to go further as I’ve received an email from Revenue NSW, after letter 2, advising the infringement has been cancelled and a replacement will be coming by mail. As Morag suggests, I will change tack and return it unopened with the RED stuff on it. It may even be that the replacement infringement is for zero but that won’t matter. I think however it’s important to know whether a court hearing is in the procedure as Mark’s doc implies.
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you’ve got me thinking more about the entire process, to the bitter end , which is what i think mark was giving you in the module…if i think about this as thought exercise …
lets say the other party decides to pursue you , and you get an offer to come to court…
we live in the private… private men , private woman.
which jurisdiction is the court in?
cant teh offer be sent back unopened …with our traditional response on the envelope?
doesn’t your source document,(live birth cert) trump inrem and inpersonam jurisdictions? jurisdiction over property and jurisdiction over your person…
you have an entire package of documents and evidence of the 3 step process , which is evidence against them. and evidence of the agreement formed?
what sort of lawyer when he looks at the case he’s thinking (told) about taking on will chance his arm with your case..? are there technical cracks in it ?
perhaps an experience lawyer will find a way to get you in court , in the hopes to trip you up with court proceedings , traps you with their word magic and you do your self in. isn’t this the worst case scenario?
I’ve worded in my final documents , a fee schedule for further attempts to correspond, and noticing them what is trespass, removing all implied right to come to property…
i came across this wording recently which in really like, it would go nicely in a conditional acceptance , written or verbal…
“what evidence do you have that that title and name is me ”
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That’s amazing Kari and Ant thank you both so much for sharing. It is definitely a process and needs tenacity, hard work and determination to learn new ways and gain successes, which you both have applied in this journey. Excellent!!!
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Nice work Kari. This is what I like hearing. It feels like a get to know yourself again process. The key seems to be, Just keep applying whatever you learn and adapted it to your own situation. Cut and paste is what most people say. Gathering info not just from this site, but others that are also fighting this corrupt system. I have been fighting a fine for 5 months and I think I am in a good position. If it changes, I will look at other angles. I am going to try remaining in the Private Realm and just blend and do my own thing with like minded people.
We are Men and Women before Any Name or Title.
Regarding jurisdictions, it seems If you can stay in the Private as best you can, this is where we have the most protection. Wolverdean keeps it very basic as does Christopher James from A Warrior Calls. Show the contract that says (i) property. No Contract equals No Authority and if you do contract, do it so you get paid nicely and with No liabilities.
It is draining sometimes, so it is good to know if you don’t want to battle, just keep it simple and make them prove everything.
I also just did 3 years back dated Tax following Mark’s advice and have a zero balance. I also opted out for next year. I got my source document a week or two ago. I am just doing a couple things at a time to get in a better position. Non Vax consent is this week and I also want to look at getting off the voting registration. It is a lot watch and do, especially dealing with everyday life as well.
All the best and Good luck in your travels.
Ant.
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Our voting roles arrived in our letter box, asking us to check and correct the information, i filled out some of mine and then wrote , ” i direct you to kindly remove me from the elctrol role”…i did it to see what would happen, surely it has to be that easy, some thing happened , i don’t know what, but I’ve never got another mailing from them yet my partner does…
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Here’s some ideas from other members. the electoral roll by using the first method.
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It should have said; I got off the electoral roll by doing the first one.
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