Money taken from bank account

[Bonez]

I have now found out it was the fines unit for my state, i have not received any fines as i always return anything in the mail that has not got my name as written back to sender, is there any remedy for this?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Hi Jordan Wow!!! I have never heard of bank accounts being garnished for fines before especially ones that have not been accepted or agreed to in any way. There is another Q and A next week. I’m going and I will ask Mark what we should do about that situation when it arises.

[Bonez]

It was either the local council, or SAPOL. (SAPOL issued a fine in the mail to the strawman with no actual encounter with myself.
The fines unit operate under the Fines Enforcement and Debt Recovery Act 2017.
Which states they can recover debt for public authorities, here’s the catch.
I’ve been informed the local council can not possibly be a “Public Authority” since they are corporations with ABN’s

Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I was told its backed by case law, HCA 2015 11 Communications, Electrical, Electronic, Energy, Information, Postal, Plumbing & Allied Services Union of Australia & Ors v Queensland Rail & Anor

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

In the mean time you could ask this question of the team under the contact tab.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

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[Bonez]

Trade Practices Act 1974 (Commonwealth)

This alone is enough evidence, council rates are unsolicited goods, when i was tricked into the mortgage council rates were never mentioned, when i RTS the councils letters i made it clear on the back of the envelop in red pen
-Returned for cause without dishonour in commerce
-No legal contract
-No lawful consent
-Offer to contract declined

And they get a garnishee order to take the money out my account without any acknowledgement of the fine or court proceeding where they obtained the default judgement.

Looks like i have a case on my hands, my first case ever.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Yes this could well be. If you can’t be at the Q and A on Wednesday I’ll let you know what Mark says about it.

[Bonez]

what time does it start, id love to be there just to listen in

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

7pm Australian time.

[Bonez]

Thankyou and I appreciate the help also!

[Ant_made]

I just got $592.00 taken out of my CBA account from the S.A. Fines Unit. I did not open any of their letters and wrote the Non consent spiel. So are they the Magistrate now as well? One Stop Shop. It was for the speed camera fine. I guess now I go after the individuals that have trespassed against me. How can the Police go into your Bank account? Is it because we are just the Holder and the Bank is the owner of the account?

[annaava]

How many notices did they send you before they charged your bank account please?

[Ant_made]

Hi Anna,

I sent 3 notices. The first one (back in September), it was a letter of No consent that I wrote it before I Joined SE. The last two were after Joining SE and had Non consent and conditional acceptance, and Default Judgement with Fee Schedule. After the 3rd Notice, I received the Fine again 3 times, I opened the first one carefully and put it back in with the Non Consent spiel. Then I received 2 letters from SA Fine recovery, that I used the P.O.box to find. Did not open and wrote the Non consent spiel on both of them.

I never did an affidavit to the Expiation Manager, but ask who are you in all three letters. I also said that I was happy to meet at a convenient time and place for both parties to sort it out. I also asked to be notified by registered mail.

So far I have received an allegation with No name to it, hand-balled to another department, had money stolen out of my account without my consent and Judged by the SA Fines Recovery Unit.

Q: How can they access our accounts without our consent and how come the Bank allows it? What if I needed that money to pay for food or electricity and now can’t afford to eat or have power to my home. Not their problem for a victimless crime. I’m the victim now….Theft!

I have a busy day, but will be looking into it.

Keep smiling

Ant

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Hi Ant a similar thing happened to another member and I am going on the Q and A tonight to ask about this and what the remedy to it is.

[Ant_made]

Thanks Morag, I will try and make it. I have a bit on this afternoon and evening with my sons. I didn’t enter any contract with Fines Recovery. I was thinking along the lines of ringing them and finding out who authorised it and going after them individually. Pay back the money taken times by 4, as the Bible says or I will go after you and you will pay my Fee schedule set in my last Notice, since you happily entered into my agreement. Your thoughts?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I would reserve my decision if I was in your position until Mark gives his reply to these situations that have arisen. I can let you know tomorrow what he advises.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I don’t think there would be any harm in seeking the names of the individuals responsible however, it’s probably a good move if you can achieve that outcome, their names will be valuable for further action.

[Ant_made]

Thank you. I will try to get on tonight and deal with them tomorrow.

[annaava]

I guess it will be more effective to create a Lien against the Commissioner of Police and claim a much heavier compensation than chasing the responsible Muppets to get your $600 back. I was thinking today to notify my bank that I do not consent to any unauthorised withdrawals from my bank account, but than the Lien came into my mind, so perhaps let them do it and then chase Grant Stevens for remedies. Just a thought.

[Ant_made]

I caught most of QandA last night. So I Basically need an account without my name connected to it, so they can’t take it out?

I rang the CBA this morning and enquired about it. SA Fines have use the courts to put a Garnish order on my account. They can take up to $1000.00 or 25% of the money owed. He gave me a reference number to SA Fines and said the bill is now $1050.00. Looks like i need to get some recordings happening, get all my Q’s in order and find out where I am at.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Here’s the answer mark gave to your questions last night

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[Ant_made]

Thanks for this. The latter sounds like the right way. I need to contact them and see where I am at.

[Bonez]

Yes that would be me, it was for driving un registered, all their letters were returned to sender, they took the money out before i even received the letter to tell me they were taking it out, now the licence is suspended and cannot register vehicles, im just about done fighting this battle and getting no where. I have an All rights reserved licence too, they accepted my terms and conditions by issuing the licence with that on the card so how can they get away with this if i havnt even acknowledged the fine

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Here’s the answers Mark gave to your questions last night

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[Bonez]

so the answer is have a trust account, great I just asked Mark for a partial refund as I was un able to find a secondary beneficiary for mine.
I guess ill just have to part ways with the money they took for now, I also read that you don’t incur demerits for that offence so how could the licence still be suspended if they got the money already.
The letter basically says they can seize and sell my assets and publish my name online.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

It sounds like the remedy is to ask the right questions in a three step Notice process with an affidavit with your evidence exhibited to the affidavit.

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[Bonez]

i have an affidavit i just need to print off and and get signed by a JP, ill send it off and once its been un rebutted ill be able to use that as evidence next time this happens, I’ve spoken to mark and we are gonna go ahead with my trust creation after all, my affidavit includes my private plates and proof of registration with the common law courts

[Ant_made]

All the best with it Jordan. I’m doing the same regarding Trust. I’m thinking of calling mine The New World Order Trust. I don’t think it will raise any suspicions.

They are Thieving Little Phuckers. At the end of my street is a T junction that turns into a round about, the council put it there, now traffic in the morning banks up and blocks the round about. So they put up a no right turn 7:30-9 sign. So now they just go over one more block and can still cause the same problem. It is the people blocking the T junction who are at fault. So now the cops sit almost out front of my house and book people for turning down there. All they are doing is traveling to work and then bam! The other day they high fived each other for a good run. They also caused a guy to have nervous breakdown, that an ambulance came for him. How many lives have they saved? How many have they added more pressure too is the real question.

How about instead of giving tickets to those just trying to get to work and instead, go down to the spot, direct traffic and help them out. Maybe book the ones blocking the turn or the dumbasses that go on to the blocked round about. Council cause the problem and the Police jump on the Bandwagon.

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

You guys are their worst nightmare because the last thing they want is for people to quietlyy get on with educating themselves and learning how to hold them pirates to account for their plundering.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I was told the cops in our area put up a fake stop sign so they could hand out fines when people went through it. That was a conversation I had with an ex lawyer

[Bonez]

I didn’t even have an encounter with them for the fine they have sent the strawman and what’s even stranger about all this is I still travel around the place going past them all the time and not once have I been stopped, they say its for un registered vehicle which is a false statement, if it wasn’t registered there would be no name they could fine. I have since registered it elsewhere and have included it all in my affidavit along with the new private plates i will be using for my property. ill be sending the affidavit to all the people in power as well as the local station in my town. Im going to let this one slide as i don’t have the energy to go after the money at this time but next time i will have all the protection in place!

Anyone decided/chosen what bank to open the trust account with yet? I really don’t want to use the same bank my strawman has an account with

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Here’s an option

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Although Mark said I should have an account at a bank in the country I live in as well for the Trust, so maybe have two? One at your bank and one internationally?

[Bonez]

would the credit union or a bank not in the big 4 would be a good choice as well? for example some people use bendigo bank or perhaps westpac?

[Ant_made]

I had zoom with Mark and others tonight about the Trust. CBA and Bendigo Bank were the main ones mentioned. Also The New World Order Trust is still available. It was a nice feeling, seeing others on the same page. A lot of talk lately of Bang for Buck or attention to small questions. I think reading into text is a hard thing and also how people communicate if they are under pressure, or still trying to find their feet, is also another factor into misreading or not getting where someone is at. We are all technically on the same page and all fighting the same fight. You don’t have to be involve in discussions or you can contribute where you feel comfortable. Let’s be the community of helping each other and also take some burden from Mark and the team. Reverse the situation and put yourself in someones else’s shoes now and then. Even the Newbies (I think I’m still a Newbie), You have to do some work and take notes. Who knows, you might show someone something, that they then see another angle to it.

One life to make the most of, so let’s enjoy the ride.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Well said and thanks for the extra info about the best banks.

[Bonez]

perfect ill use the CBA as we have one in town, thankyou!

[Ant_made]

Also, if you are thinking of getting a foundation at a later date, Westpac are not good to go through. You might want to keep the same bank as the trust or seperate them.

[annaava]

Thank you

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[Joe]

Thanks for the sharing in this discussion Jordan47 , I was almost to the same stage as you with SPER , so I have decided to pull the pull the pin on this process , since reading this chat, it seems like a waste of time with SPER. They are a law unto themselves with no rules of engagement or accountability.I will just have to pay the fine to get my licence reinstated. I will find other areas in this group now , like trusts , maybe.

Thanks again.