My Success Story

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

My opinion is; they won’t apologise even if you have a letter that is absolutely right. If they apologised they would be admitting liability which I have never seen them do, that is why we complete a three step notice and that way we have their agreement by assent or acquiescence. I have heard it said that; if we build into the notices, a default and liability clause, we can then send them an invoice for the specified amount once the agreement is attained. I’ve also heard that; it doesn’t mean they will pay, but it does mean if they don’t pay, a lien can be legitimately put against the property of the one you attained an agreement with. Did you record the conversation and let them know you were recording?

[J]

I sure did record the interactions. Really bloody good response how you just laid it all out like that.
What do you mean to obtain ‘their property’ that was agreed to?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

If the agreement established between you, (via a three step process), states they will pay you a specified amount if they default on the agreement and you send them an invoice for the amount specified, then if they default on that agreement as well and don’t pay then you would have the commercial energy to put a lien against their property and finances, meaning until that lien is satisfied it (they pay you) puts a mar on their credit rating. However if you decide to take this path, make sure you keep studying and that you understand it extremely well, then you can carry it out. it doesn’t mean they will ever pay (remember the sorts of entities we are dealing with here) but it does mean they will be hugely deterred from pursuing you in the future.

[J]

Nice! It’s good to know that the advanced level of this 3-step-process game involves actual remedie$ that are seekable. I wonder if a lot of people actually do this and get the monetary compensation however don’t speak of it publicly due to signing an NDA… I saw a vid of a Texas man who sued the cops for $250k

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

It seems to be easier in the US to get a payout however I have noticed generally in NZ and Aus (but not always) the debtors tend to dishonour the agreement established and so then a lien is the remedy to that dishonour, which may not get you the money but will have a record established of their debt to you and will most likely deter them from engaging with you again.

[J]

Why do you think that is? (that it’s more difficult to get a payout in Aus and NZ compared to US?) I believe Tom Barnett claimed that he has successfully sued police a few times according to my mama

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Yes some people have in NZ as well but you need all your ducks lined up and have to be very competent or else have a case that lawyers are happy to help you with, whereas in the US they seem to be able to litigate a little more easily with lawyers lining up to take on cases. I could be wrong though, that’s just the impression I get from watching videos and listening to US v Aus and NZ people talking about what happens in courts. In the US the process involved to take on the matter yourself is a lot simpler and more effective as well.

[conspriabee]

Would the payouts of the US have anything to do with them being closer to the money printer?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Well done for recordign the interaction, did you let them know you were recording?

[J]

yeah they definitely knew I was recording, I believe I sent you the video of the interaction a couple months ago

[J]

UPDATE: apparently I spoke too soon, as I called the cop and he informed me that he hasn’t dropped the matter… and yesterday they came and banged on the front door here (scaring the shit out of my poor mother).
What measures should I take at this stage?
And does anybody have a great ‘no trespass sign’ template? I’ve attached 2 no trespass signs that I’ve got however they’ve got a focus on Common Law (and I’d much prefer to focus on Rules of Equity)
Any other useful document templates?
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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Trespass sign 1 has been used by a friend of mine along with locks on the gates and cameras on the property. Before that the cops were hassling her all the time and now they leave her alone!!!

[J]

truee so you reckon it’s ok that it mentions the common law (even tho I wanna holod them equitably accountable and liable for their actions?) Why do you reckon it works? And would you say that the best thing to say to them when they knock is “I don’t answer questions”? (or is there a better script to say when they come to ya door?)

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

All I can tell you is that four cops came to her place, they took a photo of the trespass sign and went away. The next time the cops came they went to open the gate, found it locked saw the trespass sign and cameras and wouldn’t enter. I’ll pm you a script.

[J]

Nice, sounds effective

[conspriabee]

With respect, from your questions and comments, are you not leaning too much on templates? Imagine the ideal you, If you were able to hold your ground on all situations, would you need a template? Stand your ground, a “No Trespass” sign is a no trespass sign in civil law, common law any bloody law. D you really think the pigs are smart enough to think “Hey he is only referring to common law, but under the rules of equity I can abuse his rights”? You are powerful as you are, or am I wrong?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

There is nothing wrong with using templates, the system does it all the time.The quality of the templates we are using are top notch as they have been tried and true within the public system and have stood the test of time. Why do everything from scratch and trial and error if it is not necessary? I and other members spend enormous amounts of energy creating our own documents and challenging the system, if we can relieve some of the pressure by using quality templates then it helps us move through the process a lot more efficiently. That is why we are here after all to learn the process from some one who has already gone through the mill and learnt the hard way so we don’t have to. That doesn’t mean to say it is still not extremely challenging, life changing with many growing pains. Another thing templates help us do, is get help to newbies quickly when they come on here just searching for a life line, as I once was.