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State Debt Recovery
Where can I find how to deal with an infringement when/if it gets to State Debt Recovery. I’ve watched the video (duration 1:21) linked to Modules’ 19,36 – It doesn’t mention SDR ??. I’m wanting to be ahead of the curve. Anyone ???
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Have you completed a three step notice?
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Here’s one idea.
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Hello tasman. There are a number of approaches to dealing with such things. The way I use at the moment is to ‘re-contract’ their presentment and ‘pay’ using a Promissory Note. So far the other party has always written back ignoring what we have done so there has always been the need for a second letter thanking them for acknowledging receipt of our contract and payment instrument and then going through the ‘isn’t it true’ questions. Isn’t it true you accepted valuable consideration, isn’t it true that you retained it for more than 72 hours etc. The big ones are section 93 and 50 of the Bill Of Exchange Act where it is clear that if they do not attend at the day, time and place specified on the Promissory Note that the liability of the maker (that’s you) is discharged. So far we have not needed more that one follow up letter. The folder inside module 36 called Payment by BOE has useful templates.
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Thanks – I ask only to be ready in case the parking infringement is handed to SDR.
Situation is:- Got to letter 2 re a parking fine – parking fine was cancelled and another issued (checked it on Service NSW) for a lesser amount. Didn’t open it – applied red sticker and returned it. Haven’t heard further – just trying to prepare ahead in expectation of it going to SDR.
My thinking is – their claim has never been justified.
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Hello Tasman. Re-issuing is interesting. Is it a different number? If it is a whole new number then they’re trying to get you twice on the same matter. That doesn’t seem right.
I’d personally still be inclined to re-contract and give them a PN just so they could never say I either refused to pay or didn’t pay.
Let us know how you get on. Thanks
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Yes – Cancelled the original (confirmed I had nothing to pay) – re-issued a new infringement number.
I didn’t open it but returned it promptly with the RED Non-Consent etc.etc. sticker per suggestion by Morag-Janet. I’m trying to be ahead of the curve – it bothers me that no-one here can point me to a webinar or module when this must surely be a common matter to deal with.
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Here’s some one else’s story dealing with SDR
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Thanks morag-janet : In the event my situation ends up in court, I will value this.
I am however still bewildered at not finding a recommended process for dealing with SDR in a way to prevent court.
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There are no sure fired ways to stop them from taking you to court, it all depends who (which person/gatekeeper/authority figure) you are dealing with. Some accept your position others will test you and when they find you are competent or on your way to being competent then they will be far more likely to back off and go for easier targets. Some people get results quickly others go through tests and trials. It’s all about being prepared for any eventuality and holding your position
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Terrence, You can always make an offer in your Notice, that you are happy to meet at a mutual location, at convenient time for both, to finalise the matter honourably before any court appearance. Remember to be a Man before any Name or Title in order to remain in the Private Realm. The Hierarchy of Authority, as a Wo/Man, we are above Government, Corporations, Agents and Persons. Legal does not apply to you and The Law does if you have Trespassed or caused harm against another Wo/Man.
You should watch a couple of episodes of A Warrior Calls or WolverDean. Both are very blunt and direct in holding their position. WolverDean uses it to his advantage, but also knows how to stand his ground and Christopher James calls them out to show the Contract of Ownership/Authority, that (i) property. No Judge, Magistrate, Barrister, Lawyer, Prosecutor, Police Officer or Politician has a contract with you, saying you are their property. No contract, means No Authority. If it was just You and One of these left on the Planet, would their rules govern you or would you say Piss Off?
Mark also mentions going after them Individually. So keep that in mind, rather than thinking of them as something Big, break them down and single out the Agent in Authority acting on behalf on the corporation. As a Man you are supreme over them and they are trespassing against you. Extortion and Enslavement is not Lawful behaviour.
Relax and keep learning, as there are good people here for support. You got this and its only over when you say it is.
Take care, Ant.
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Absolutely!! Awesome comment!!!
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I’ve had some good help. Thank you and Big hugs to you. Your sharing is priceless and very helpful. I feel like I have an arsenal up my sleeve and ready to take on whatever comes my way. Just keep at them and put them on the back foot. Play the game better than them, for they are ignorant and think their position gives them power. It’s Ours and always has been, we just didn’t know it.
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It’s absolutely my pleasure to help and it lifts me as well hearing your strong and positive comments. Together we can do this!!!
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Yes – very inspiring – the responses to this topic have given me heart – I see I need to increase my knowledge.
Aside – Re RED “NON CONSENT” etc. label – After adopting this for the first time, should I receive further notices, how many times can I “RETURN TO SENDER” with “RED LABEL” attached ???
Anyone ???
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Hello Tasman. I’d be inclined to do it with every presentment. Although you’ve not consented to their first presentment they will likely keep trying to get you to contract. Your silence may be taken as such. Even if they do try that there are plenty of things you can do down the track.
Having said that I have opted to ‘go silent’ on a few matters to test out some ideas. In these cases I’ve re-contracted with valuable consideration.
Have a think and decide what you feel comfortable with and what you’re trying to learn or prove through the process.
All the best.
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Thanks – but what do you mean “not consented to their first presentment” ? – after my first 2 notices, they cancelled it and re-issued for a lesser amount -it’s this 2nd presentment I’m “RETURNING TO SENDER” unopened.
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Your returning their letter unopened and unaccepted is the one I’m referring to. As you’ve not consented to this presentment you could just keep doing the same for future ones.
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This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by chuggles.
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Ok – yes I see – now I get it.
Thanks
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Get use to looking at the envelopes you receive and make note of the P.O. Box and where they are from. Even the Fines Recovery Dept. Do not open and write The Do Not Consent Slogan on all envelopes. You haven’t had your questions answered from the first corporation trying to enslave and extort money from you. So they are hand balling it to someone else, who doesn’t have a contract with you. If they are not honourable in replying by registered mail, as asked, then that’s on them. Morag mentioned about writing to them saying it will cost them $10,000 for example, for you to open it and still be able to say no to contracting with them. Maybe on the back, P.T.O. the front and in original handwriting as it is from someone real and living. Ask them to put their name to it, so you can send them the bill. Have fun with it and keep it simple. You are quite happy to pay if they can prove you’re not a man and answer All your questions relating to the matter.
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Thanks indeed – but to ensure we’re on same page, I returned unopened, the reissued fine. I’ve NOT received any other notices/communication since. I’m just trying to learn what to do if it goes to SDR.
It seems the consensus is to return unopened as well. Would like to understand more about your comments re $10,000 ??
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3 or more, depending on how many times it is sent to you. They don’t usually send more than three.
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