Directors ID

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

What is the Director’s ID?

[Doreen]

https://www.abrs.gov.au/director-identification-number?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv4PMntb1-gIVizgrCh3AdQCpEAAYASAAEgJSN_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[katieanne]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02Qh7jeTHJ1PH3uBwseVnay6hYuir1Hqgs5j5tqVZmURKVAPWr6mf2JPBrLDgUbHHjl&id=100071608523605https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02Qh7jeTHJ1PH3uBwseVnay6hYuir1Hqgs5j5tqVZmURKVAPWr6mf2JPBrLDgUbHHjl&id=100071608523605

This is a post about it on Cindy Niles Facebook page, they suggest that it’s unconstitutional.

[katieanne]

It’s a digital ID for companies. It will be used to measure your company’s compliance to sustainable development goals/ESG scores (environmental and social governance) They’re moving us gradually away from representive government into a social credit system. Follow Julianne Romanello (on facebook and blog ‘Hearts over Hexagons’) Cindy Niles (fb) and Kate Mason who also has a facebook page Big Food Big Corporate. Alison McDowell’s work is also excellent (blog ‘Wrench in the Gears’) and lots of videos on you tube.

[Doreen]

Thanks for the links Katieanne

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Here’s a video transcription from Dean Clifford with a link to the video if you want to watch it. He has lots of good advice that might help your situation.

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[Doreen]

Great, thank you

[torus]

“Having a private Society activates International Covenants” – what is an international covenant?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

It means instead of legislation holding the pirates to account, as legislation is in the public realm under the jurisdiction of their corporation, (because in the private we are now outside of their ‘corporation’ NZ or Australia) then International Agreements now bind them eg International Covenant on Human Rights…Covenant; | ˈkʌv(ə)nənt | noun an agreement: there was a covenant between them that her name was never to be mentioned. • Law; a formal agreement, contract, or promise in writing. • Law; a clause in a contract drawn up by deed.

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[welshlibertynow2020]

Brendan lee o’Connell warns against trusting Julia Romanello. Yes she is a great researcher but she will only go so far claims Brendan. Saying that Brendan may be a good source of information on what is going on.

[SE.Webmaster]

FYI – Mark will be doing a special webinar on this topic of Director ID, on November 2 at 7pm (AEDT).

We will be updating the webinar information today/tomorrow, and rescheduling the “Successes Webinar” over to December instead.

[Doreen]

Great, that would be very helpful, thanks.

[Doreen]

Hi, I’m curious to know if a way around creating the Digitial MyGovID is to simply fill out the Director ID form in hard copy (rather than applying for MyGovID online) and submit with All Rights Reserved Signature. Can you please advise of any implications of doing it this way please?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

You will still be agreeing to their contract, you will just be making sure they can’t attach anything else at a later date or tell you that because you signed the contract you have other obligations that you didn’t know were attached to it. So if you were to sign any documents even with the ARR signature then you must read the contract carefully and make sure you agree with what is written in it before you sign.

[Doreen]

Thank you for clarifying that. 🙂

[robert4freedom]

I have listened to Mark’s Webinar ‘Options To Deal With the Requirement for Supply of Director’s ID’ ( http://solutionsempowerment.org/webinar-options-to-deal-with-the-requirement-for-supply-of-directors-id/ For those who haven’t seen it ) I also purchased the documents pack and am nearly ready to send the ‘Notice of Conditional Acceptance’ and have a couple of questions.

1) At (j) after the 22 conditions it says <Name
of Your Estate>,and everywhere else in the document it says “<Your Full Name/YOUR
FULL NAME>” (either or both depending on the item) which made since to me as to why it was written like that but in (j) I don’t comprehend why is says <Name
of Your Estate> or what to put there. Possibly this is people who have a trust which I don’t as yet, Should I put my Full Name ?

2) In the final paragraph it says –

Naturally, should you express to me in a signed written statement in timely manner, and certainly prior to 14 days from date of this Notice, that in my case, no Director’s ID is required or that you agree to the terms expressed within paragraphs 2 to 4 on page 1 above, I shall consider your offer to supply my private property to you.

It seems to my not so well educated mind yet that we are giving them the option to agree to only the terms expressed within paragraphs 2 to 4 on page 1 and am unable to see why we would give them that option. could anyone explain that please? I suspect there is a reason that I don’t comprehend.

Thanks in advance, Robert

Webinar: Options To Deal With the Requirement for Supply of Director’s ID

[robert4freedom]

lastly at the end of the document it says –

By

<Your Full Name>. All rights reserved, none

Why does it say ‘none’ after All rights reserved?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I think it was meant to say All rights reserved, none waived ever.

[robert4freedom]

ah, that make sense I’ll add that thank you

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

What are paragraphs 2 to 4? The way Mark writes his documents you can be pretty sure they won’t agree and that 2 to 4 will be incriminate them in some way if they agree to them. That is why there is a stipulation like that. It keeps you in honour by offering them a way to get an agreement with you.

[robert4freedom]

thanks I hear you and can imagine but these below dont sound like something to then have as the basis of agreement. I’m sure he’s up to more I see.

2. Once supplied to you, my private property will not be on sold or forwarded to any organization or individual without first obtaining my consent, which I refuse at this stage, and

3. Once supplied to you, my private property will not be used for commercial gain of ASIC or any other party, and

4. Once supplied to you, my private property will never be used against or to the detriment of the Director or I, and

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

They will not agree to those terms as it effectively bars them from being able to profit from anything of yours.

[robert4freedom]

I sent a mail to Mark and he replied that he thought my comment had merit so he changed the last paragraphs to this –

Naturally, should you express to me in a signed written statement in timely manner, and certainly prior to 14 days from date of this Notice, that in my case, no Director’s ID is required or that you agree to the terms expressed within paragraphs 2 to 4 on page 1 above and will immediately deliver to me your reply to the above 22 paragraphs with sworn or affirmed evidence to support your claims, I shall consider your offer to supply my private property to you.

I imagine it will be changed in the download pack

[robert4freedom]

I just got a mail from SE saying the updated document is now updated in the downloads. Hows that SO great t a team at SE we have 🙂

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

For sure 🙂

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Does it say in the instruction what to write in the <Name of Your Estate> etc? If not just check with the team under the Contact tab.

[robert4freedom]

Hi Thanks for you comments Morag, The instructions are for the overall process with no specifis to each doc

[robert4freedom]

do you sign your name as you have above on all documents and what do think of my signing Michael-Robert: Hesketh

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I always sign my documents

By: <signature>

<Sentence Case Name>

All rights reserved

With each layer slightly touching the one above to prevent them from cutting anything off.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

I used to sign my name the way you have suggested but then I found out this about the Quantum language.

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[anandrah]

On the documents, ‘name of your estate’ is your full name in all capital letters

[Doreen]

So I haven’t actually received anything ‘addressed’ to me regarding the Directors ID from the ATO nor the ABRS, but rather a generic email from my accountant. How do I respond to an offer if it hasn’t been addressed to me personally in the first place?

[mamasha]

Hi, we sent off the first lot of documents, tomorrow is day 15 to send off the 2nd lot and my husband received the attached letter by email. Do we ignore it? Of course i know to continue on with the process, as they have not responded to the 1 st lot, just wondering about this email…

[mamasha]

I also have something really frustrating with the first lot is that i sent it off and then realized that i didn’t get a copy of everything. So 2 days later i sent it out again making sure that i have a copy of everything.But i now cannot find the receipts for the registered mail. I do have the registered post number, but no lodgment receipts. So i have the first receipts from the first lot sent, with no copies, and copies of the second with no lodgment receipts. but the first would be identical to the second, except the date and possibly signature slightly. Should be all okay?

[mamasha]

So, should we be sending the paperwork to ABRS, as well, by the sounds of this letter?

[pbcook]

I would send a reply to acknowledge their letter(never ignore anything) and re-address all Notices to the ABRS(as below) as primary respondent but CC the Chair of ASIC so that they are informed throughout the entire process.

Chris Jordan AO, Commissioner of Taxation and Registrar of the Australian Business Register, was appointed as Registrar of ABRS on 4 April 2021 under the:

• Business Names Registration Act 2011
• Commonwealth Registers Act 2020
• Corporations Act 2001
• National Consumer Credit Protection Act 2009.

Await guidance.

[hansie]

yes received the same letter from ASIC via email this evening. using language as

“primary responsibility” and “administering” to deflect and confuse…. “It is a criminal offence if you do not apply on time” didn’t know ASIC is a court? only courts can decide if an offence has been made.

Not sure what to do now thought … stay the course with second letter in 14 days and/or Add ABRS and ATO to mailing list …

[SE.Founder]

Never be intimmidated by threats. Threats is all the public have to enforce compliance. When the threat bluff is called, that public authority is found “wanting”. The King with no clothes

[SE.Founder]

For the benefit of all the Non Consent process users, please use common sense throughout the process. Ie scan all completed documents including proof of mailing and delivery. Also, who ever are listed as respondents, indicates precisely who you are to mail out or email too. Cheers Mark

[quantumx]

Directors ID registered post sent this morning. Postal workers wouldn’t sign the Cert of Mailing. luckily there was a JP in the shopping centre. I wonder if a video of putting letters in a registered post envelope would be strong enough in court.
Let’s see how this goes.

[hansie]

sent the final default notice 6th January to ABRS

Just Received reply from ABRS to my first notice dated 28th November … have drafted a response… may help someone … will send tomorrow …

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Your reply sounds awesome!!! Thanks for sharing 🙂

[hansie]

I now have a completed and signed affidavit ready to send to ABRS and joseph and chris. do we send it to the ABRS or Hold on to it and only send it if we hear from them again. A little confused. and do we send the original signed version or a scanned copy ? don’t really wish to send the original as may need to lodge that one in court one day.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Are you talking about the fourth step affidavit outlining everything you have done to date to gain an agreement? If so a copy of that affidavit can be sent to them but make sure you get a jp to verify it as a true and correct copy and the jp to sign and date every page.

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

The fourth step is usually only sent if you intend to go to court and can be sent months after the agreement is obtained or it can be sent straight away, it all depends when you intend on going to court. Just send it to let them know before court, what evidence you are going to present in court. When that affidavit remains unrebutted it creates a much stronger case for court because you will have their agreement that you are all now in agreement.

[hansie]

Sorry yes the fourth step. I dont intend to go to court unless the ABRS keep pursuing me for Directors ID.

So think, I’ll keep hold of the Affidavit and if/when i get any further letters from ABRS/ASIC then send them the affidavit with a cover letter and fee schedule, stateing they have already agreed by assent that I’m not required to have a Directors ID.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Don’t make any statements, just send the affidavit, if it is unrebutted you then have your second witness. That will be more powerful than you making a claim/statement.

[hansie]

Ok thank you . no statements. is it ok to get the same JP that signed the original to certify the copy

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Better to get a different one if you can so he can be seen to being impartial. It also looks more powerful with two jps’ signatures on a document

[pbcook]

Regarding the Affidavit (step 7, “Instructions”:1Instructions.doc)

I’m feeling very stupid right now because I followed the instructions to the letter but didn’t apply any common sense thereafter.

Nowhere do the instructions say to make copies of the signed Certificate of Mailing forms before posting . It would only need to be made clear for newbies like myself…who are, well…just dumb. But it’s obvious we’d need proof of these, hindsight gives you 20/20 vision as they say.

So I have original Certificate of Mailing forms… with Registered Mail numbers, but without the signatures of witnesses.

Is there any point sending copies these blank Certificate of Mailing forms along with the Affidavit?

The good news is that I have return receipts that the envelopes have been received, but of course, it could still be said that there was nothing in the envelopes.

I’m several weeks late on sending out the Affidavit and have now received an email from ABRS letting me know that I haven’t applied for the ID yet…waiting for my next move.

Would appreciate any advice on the above.

cheers Paul

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Hi Paul, if you could get the original witness/es to fill out the Certificate/s of mailing and use those as copies for your records that would suffice.

[pbcook]

It’s just my affidavit says “true and correct copy”…which it won’t be.

I can get my witness to do that but it will appear different. Won’t that be an issue if I have to present this to a judge one day?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

No because they are the true witness, and they are testifying on the mailing certificate copy.

[kdrummond]

I received the same letter yesterday

[pbcook]

Love your reply (Scanned-copy-JLM-ABRS-R180123). Thankyou for sharing.

[hansie]

👍

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

http://solutionsempowerment.org/non-consent-4-has-launched/

Non-consent #4 Has Launched (Company Director’s Digital ID) – Complimentary for Members, Donation for Guests

[SE.Webmaster]

Hi all – From Mark (Founder).

Regarding Supply of Director’s Digital ID Information (http://solutionsempowerment.org/resources/non-consent/4-directors-id-information/)

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The difference between the module edition and the Non Consent process, is predominantly that the Non Consent process has the addition of a declaration which gives the process some more punch in that;

1. It makes various assertions that must be rebutted for the assertions to fail, and

2. Discloses various legislation, the Constitution and International Treaties that declare exemptions to compliance with intrusive, oppressive, over reaching

orders and directions, particularly when they are beyond the authority of government and their legislators to make, and

3. Asserts a claim of right

4. Asserts a vicarious liability on the claimant – authority that attempts to make impositions upon the people that is beyond their powers, authority and jurisdiction to do

Non-consent to Supply of Director’s ID Information (Australia)

[SE.Webmaster]

Non-consent Process (#4 Semi-automatic Generator):
http://solutionsempowerment.org/resources/non-consent/4-directors-id-information/

Module Edition: http://solutionsempowerment.org/p/module-70-options-to-deal-with-the-requirement-for-supply-of-directors-id/

We suggest the newer non-consent Process. We appreciate our members whom supported us in the first module stage.

Non-consent to Supply of Director’s ID Information (Australia)

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Are you suggesting that even if we have completed the Non Consent to Lockdown with the Claim of Right, that it would help us to complete this one as well? If yes then my husband and I will complete this newer process as well.

[SE.Webmaster]

Hi Morag,

Not sure I understood.. Are you referring to Non-consent #2 http://solutionsempowerment.org/resources/non-consent/2-command-cease-desist/ ?

Command Government to Cease & Desist (Australia)

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

No I’m referring to the non consent to lockdown docs available from 2021

[SE.Webmaster]

I am not sure about that one, Morag. Maybe a worthwhile question for Mark in the Q&A, or contacting support.

I was posting regarding further clarification received from Mark between the module and the non-consent process just launched for members and guests, regarding “Director’s Digital ID”.

All the best 🙂

[SE.Founder]

Yes, it is stronger to do all the Non Consents separately. Claim of Right is clear about your rights. The Non Consent processes makes it more specifically clear what you don’t consent to. Cheers mark

[bonnynclyde]

Hi SE Websmaster

The inclusion (in the non-consent process #4) of the declaration, Fee Schedule, Cruden v Neale Annexure and Affidavit of Claimant looks very solid and I think would strengthen our case and argument for not consenting to the supply of our private commercial information for the Directors ID.

In our journey, of response to the Directors’ ID, we are now compiling our Round 4 Affidavit having served 3 notices using the earlier original module edition.

Would it be legally valid and honorable for us to send this additional information (Declaration, Fee Schedule, Cruden v Neale Annexure and Affidavit of Claimant) and apologise for not including it in our earlier communications and then giving Joseph and Chris another 14 days to respond before compiling and sending them our affidavit?

OR is too late for that?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

That sounds great to me!!

[SE.Founder]

Best info I can give is use your descretion. It’s useful to send the respondents the additional docs and strengthens your case for your right to Non Consent. Is extra time though so you make the call. Cheers Mark

[bonnynclyde]

Thanks Mark. We included to strengthen the argument but yes, all does take time!

[hansie]

Hi Bonnynclyde,

I am in a similar position, in that i have sent the first 3 notices and completed the affidavit ( step4) had it signed by a JP But never sent as yet, I just received a further letter from the ABRS (see Attached) was about to make copies of the affidavit and get the copies signed by a second JP ready to sen to the ABRS. will now put that on hold and read the new non consent process ( semi automated) and work out what to send to whom i.e declaration fee schedule others … Have you worked out the set of Docs you will send and the apollopy wording?

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[bonnynclyde]

Hi Hansie. Sorry for the delay in responding. We were away travelling and have just got back in to view your message.

This was our go at it….

Dear Joseph Longo and others,

It has come to my attention that ASIC failed or refused to reply and answer my previous demand notices titled “Notice of Conditional Acceptance, Notice and Demand for Further and Better Particulars and Notice of Liability (the Notice) dated 23 January 2023 and “Default Notice, Notice and Demand for Further and Better Particulars and Notice of Liability” dated 8 February 2023 and “Final Notice, Notice and Demand for Further and Better Particulars and Notice of Liability” dated 23 February 2023. The Notices were in response to ASIC’s new requirement that all Directors forward to ASIC their private personal confidential commercial information (private property) by 30 November 2022, allegedly under new legislation incorporated within the Act titled “Corporations Act 2001 (Cth)”.

Your failure to reply was your third default.

In addition it has also come to my attention that in the process of delivering these three notices to you, that a signed document titled “Declaration in the Format of an Affidavit and Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right” and an unsigned document titled “Affidavit Of Claimant” was omitted. These documents accompany this letter.

Should you sign the accompanying document titled “Affidavit of Claimant”, accepting full and complete personal liability for any harm or commercial damages caused me by my supply of information pertaining to my Director ID, and in which case should you express to me in a timely manner, and certainly prior to 14 days from date of this letter, I shall consider your offer to supply my confidential commercial information – private property to you.

I thank you in advance for your prompt reply addressing this matter.

[hansie]

Thanks bonnynclyde.

sounds really good . i did in the mean time just send them the affidavit. i’m thinkng of sending in the further 3 documents however not sure how this will effect the affidavit already sent in. as an affivadt is a record of facts/truth for the courts, if i now do more letters i suspect i will need to redo the affidavit with a new one adding the additional steps i’ve taken.

[quantumx]

Update on progress for other members in general : I’ve put all 3 steps of the administrative process in and the follow up affidavit mailed in with photocopies of all the 3 steps. I only mailed ASIC and NOT the ABRS. No notices in the negative as yet.

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[pbcook]

Thanks for your update.

I’ve completed same steps however my notices were sent to ABRS.

No reply, except for the email “reminder” to register which I assume gets sent to anyone and everyone who hasn’t yet plugged into their matrix.

[hansie]

Sent to JP certified copys of affidavit in on Friday 24th March to both ASIC and ABRS …

[hansie]

After Sending the affidavit, i have received another standard overdue reminder notice ( see attached) . Has anyone or does anyone know of anyone who has got the ABRS to go away and leave them alone. i.e completed the process with the desired outcome. Is it time to send them an invoice for $10,000,000 or send them i more chance like bonnynclyde letter above. any suggestions much apreciated

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

It’s best to give them three chances to back off before sending the invoice. If you have already given them three chances and you made it clear there will be penalties for non compliance then you can send the invoice.

[michael-teo]

This are some really basic questions, but in the checklist, there is:

• Purple water based stamp pad (for thumb print)
• Red pen (bold)

I am assuming that this means that all of the signatures are to be signed in red. Is this correct?

Where does the thumb print go? Is this like a BOE where the thumb print goes next to the signature? Does the signature have to touch/go through the thumb print or does it not make a difference?

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Are you talking about non consent to Directors ID? Does it have L.S. on the document anywhere? If it does then that is where you put your thumbprint. You don’t have to sign in red blue is fine but the thumbprint is in red

[michael-teo]

Yes, I do mean the director’s id non-consent.
Yes, it does have L.S. What is L.S.?
Why does the checklist have purple ink instead of red? Does the colour make any difference.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Locus Sigili = the place of the seal.

[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Here’s a document from The Sovereignty Project in Canada that talks about colours used in writing ones signature

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[michael-teo]

Thank you. That’s really useful.

[michael-teo]

Another basic question… At the top of the default notice it says:

“Registered Post Mail # ___________________”

The blank is not auto-populated like it is on the Certificate of Mailing. Is this supposed to be left blank? From the video I assume that it is supposed to be filled out and the auto-generator just didn’t do it.

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[morag-janet-of-the-hill-family]

Yes it is meant to be filled out, so if the auto generator missed it, then yes, just fill it out yourself 🙂

[michael-teo]

Thank you for the confirmation. That’s what I did in the first 2 rounds and I was wondering if I’d made a mistake. Glad to know that I got it right.